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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THat's a really powerful post, Amelita. Thank you! Parents can influence the behaviour of their children, but of course they have to change their own behaviour too, and that's where the parents of your son's mate have failed.

I once had a client, 18yo, who had concentration problems... why? Quite possibly because he was coming home from work and drinking 5-9 tinnies per night with his dad. Adult bonding? Bloody hell. That's when I realised just how far from the alco-mainstream I was!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THat&#039;s a really powerful post, Amelita. Thank you! Parents can influence the behaviour of their children, but of course they have to change their own behaviour too, and that&#039;s where the parents of your son&#039;s mate have failed.</p>
<p>I once had a client, 18yo, who had concentration problems&#8230; why? Quite possibly because he was coming home from work and drinking 5-9 tinnies per night with his dad. Adult bonding? Bloody hell. That&#039;s when I realised just how far from the alco-mainstream I was!</p>
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		<title>By: Amelita (Squishy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amelita (Squishy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this is a subject that is hitting very close to my home at the moment. 

I will give you some insight to what our family is like. I have two teenage children who started high school this year. Our family really doesn't drink alcohol. It has never been an important part of our lives. Yes a glass of a nice red that I might pick up when we are having a cheese platter or something special for dinner and that is about it. I don't get drunk nor does my husband. We are just not into feeling hung over like when we were younger. Most of my friends and their families are the same. I am ethnic and so is a friend of mine and her husband and we both have teenage children. We have been always of the mindset that on a special occasion say Christmas or a Wedding we have let them have a sip of red or a 1/4 of a glass of bubbly. None of our children seem to care about alcohol or have a weird facination for it. Now I consider myself to be an exceptional parent and I have children who talk to me about everything and trust me. 

So here comes the hitting home part. My son vary rarely goes and sleeps over at other peoples houses and I know where they are all the time. They dont hang out in shopping malls and they are kept occupied and their school work is in order. But last weekend my son slept over his mates place. He is just about to turn 14. The day after he went to school and I got a phonecall from the principle. Him and his mate were caught in the toilets at lunchtime drinking a can of beer that his mate had brought to school. 3 days suspended at home. I was mortified and stunned at how this could possibly be. My son explained to me that he had a sip of the beer and it tasted gross so he spat it out. He then told me that his mate apparently steals beer from his step father on a regular basis and sculls it down like a real pro. He had felt pressured to try the beer for fear he would be put down by his friends. When he was at his friends place the night before apparently the other boys parents are involved in some type of country walking group that gets together once a week on a week night to get hammered, they all put money in everyweek to pay for the beer. The boys step father the previous day had taken them to the liquor shop and bought 100 cartons of beer for this club. Had them unload it from his van and start unpacking it, putting it into eskies with ice. About 70 people came over to their house and drank all night. This kid apparently drinks behind his parents backs all the time. 

Now my son did not have the opportunity to tell me about it as he was at this childs house and had gone to school with him. He certainly has learnt his lesson and I hope to goodness that this never happens again. He wont be sleeping over this boys house again nor will he be associating with this child again. I have not banned him from spending time with this child at school, I cant and I have no control over that, but my son has made the decision to not spend time with him on his own. So I hope that means I have been a good parent and that my son just made a stupid mistake like lots of kids do. 

I don't think it matters what rules or legislation is in place. People are going to do what they are going to do. All I can do as a parent is make sure my children are informed and hope that influences like these other stupid parents dont come into my childrens lives very often. Children do silly things and make mistakes as part of growing up and learning about life. The emphasis should be more on educating parents to have an open line of communication with their children. The problem is lots of parents dont talk to their kids even about how their day was. I know this because every weekend my childrens friends are always sleeping over and they always say to me, Amelita I wish my parents ate dinner with us or I wish my mum and dad talked to me about my life. 

So that tells me that unless we change parents attitudes and get them caring about what their children have to say and listen to them we are always going to be faced with all sorts of influences, legislation or no legislation.

Gosh I hope all that makes sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this is a subject that is hitting very close to my home at the moment. </p>
<p>I will give you some insight to what our family is like. I have two teenage children who started high school this year. Our family really doesn&#039;t drink alcohol. It has never been an important part of our lives. Yes a glass of a nice red that I might pick up when we are having a cheese platter or something special for dinner and that is about it. I don&#039;t get drunk nor does my husband. We are just not into feeling hung over like when we were younger. Most of my friends and their families are the same. I am ethnic and so is a friend of mine and her husband and we both have teenage children. We have been always of the mindset that on a special occasion say Christmas or a Wedding we have let them have a sip of red or a 1/4 of a glass of bubbly. None of our children seem to care about alcohol or have a weird facination for it. Now I consider myself to be an exceptional parent and I have children who talk to me about everything and trust me. </p>
<p>So here comes the hitting home part. My son vary rarely goes and sleeps over at other peoples houses and I know where they are all the time. They dont hang out in shopping malls and they are kept occupied and their school work is in order. But last weekend my son slept over his mates place. He is just about to turn 14. The day after he went to school and I got a phonecall from the principle. Him and his mate were caught in the toilets at lunchtime drinking a can of beer that his mate had brought to school. 3 days suspended at home. I was mortified and stunned at how this could possibly be. My son explained to me that he had a sip of the beer and it tasted gross so he spat it out. He then told me that his mate apparently steals beer from his step father on a regular basis and sculls it down like a real pro. He had felt pressured to try the beer for fear he would be put down by his friends. When he was at his friends place the night before apparently the other boys parents are involved in some type of country walking group that gets together once a week on a week night to get hammered, they all put money in everyweek to pay for the beer. The boys step father the previous day had taken them to the liquor shop and bought 100 cartons of beer for this club. Had them unload it from his van and start unpacking it, putting it into eskies with ice. About 70 people came over to their house and drank all night. This kid apparently drinks behind his parents backs all the time. </p>
<p>Now my son did not have the opportunity to tell me about it as he was at this childs house and had gone to school with him. He certainly has learnt his lesson and I hope to goodness that this never happens again. He wont be sleeping over this boys house again nor will he be associating with this child again. I have not banned him from spending time with this child at school, I cant and I have no control over that, but my son has made the decision to not spend time with him on his own. So I hope that means I have been a good parent and that my son just made a stupid mistake like lots of kids do. </p>
<p>I don&#039;t think it matters what rules or legislation is in place. People are going to do what they are going to do. All I can do as a parent is make sure my children are informed and hope that influences like these other stupid parents dont come into my childrens lives very often. Children do silly things and make mistakes as part of growing up and learning about life. The emphasis should be more on educating parents to have an open line of communication with their children. The problem is lots of parents dont talk to their kids even about how their day was. I know this because every weekend my childrens friends are always sleeping over and they always say to me, Amelita I wish my parents ate dinner with us or I wish my mum and dad talked to me about my life. </p>
<p>So that tells me that unless we change parents attitudes and get them caring about what their children have to say and listen to them we are always going to be faced with all sorts of influences, legislation or no legislation.</p>
<p>Gosh I hope all that makes sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.syrupandtang.com/200804/a-personal-perspective-on-binge-drinking-and-social-policy-on-alcohol/#comment-656</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You'll notice that I don't restrict my perspective to young drinkers (though certainly it's the primary topic of debate at the moment). And if we want to take the drinking &lt;b&gt;controls&lt;/b&gt; one step further, then why not place higher taxes on alcohol served outside of dining establishments?... Alas, too easy to subvert, and still not an encouragement to change behaviour. Excessive drinking exists within any social framework. Reducing the 'social need' for it and the acceptability of it is the most important approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;ll notice that I don&#039;t restrict my perspective to young drinkers (though certainly it&#039;s the primary topic of debate at the moment). And if we want to take the drinking <b>controls</b> one step further, then why not place higher taxes on alcohol served outside of dining establishments?&#8230; Alas, too easy to subvert, and still not an encouragement to change behaviour. Excessive drinking exists within any social framework. Reducing the &#039;social need&#039; for it and the acceptability of it is the most important approach.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gobbler</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gobbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cover for extreme over consumption under the guise of, lets say, 'Learnedness'.
I'm sure we've all been privvy when some wine 'Bookends of Knowledge' have just tipped over the edge into unaceptable behaviour that leaves one scratching ones head.
Dont get me wrong, I've been there too but I am too becoming more aware that this is a malady that strikes across our whole strata here &#38; isnt just about young binge drinking Corey's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cover for extreme over consumption under the guise of, lets say, &#039;Learnedness&#039;.<br />
I&#039;m sure we&#039;ve all been privvy when some wine &#039;Bookends of Knowledge&#039; have just tipped over the edge into unaceptable behaviour that leaves one scratching ones head.<br />
Dont get me wrong, I&#039;ve been there too but I am too becoming more aware that this is a malady that strikes across our whole strata here &amp; isnt just about young binge drinking Corey&#039;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although we shouldn't forget people in their 30s, 40s or 50s binge drinking. Just pop down to the Albert Park Hotel and observe. Also note how few inebriated people are refused service. A visit to the Belgium Beer cafe is also worthy of an observation as it only sells beer and wine and no alcopops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although we shouldn&#039;t forget people in their 30s, 40s or 50s binge drinking. Just pop down to the Albert Park Hotel and observe. Also note how few inebriated people are refused service. A visit to the Belgium Beer cafe is also worthy of an observation as it only sells beer and wine and no alcopops.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear that the picture I painted is still the status quo. I hadn't even thought about the prospect of trains full of drunken Swedes now that the bridge exists on that route! An enduring memory of Danes in Germany and Swedes in Denmark is exactly what you describe: men of all ages loaded down with slabs and slabs of beer (as many as they could carry) staggering out of ferry terminals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear that the picture I painted is still the status quo. I hadn&#039;t even thought about the prospect of trains full of drunken Swedes now that the bridge exists on that route! An enduring memory of Danes in Germany and Swedes in Denmark is exactly what you describe: men of all ages loaded down with slabs and slabs of beer (as many as they could carry) staggering out of ferry terminals.</p>
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		<title>By: grocer</title>
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		<dc:creator>grocer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting thoughts here, particularly your comparison to Sweden. Having spent large amounts of time in Denmark I can confirm that the strict licensing in Sweden is not entirely effective - it just moves the problem. 

Swedes now catch the train to Copenhagen from Malmo - this can even happen for a night on the town now (ironically some people now live in Sweden and commute to Denmark) and the ferry terminal at Helsinborg (and the other side, Helsinor) are a sight to see with swedes and the carts of "full strength" beer - prized spoils from their viking raids!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting thoughts here, particularly your comparison to Sweden. Having spent large amounts of time in Denmark I can confirm that the strict licensing in Sweden is not entirely effective - it just moves the problem. </p>
<p>Swedes now catch the train to Copenhagen from Malmo - this can even happen for a night on the town now (ironically some people now live in Sweden and commute to Denmark) and the ferry terminal at Helsinborg (and the other side, Helsinor) are a sight to see with swedes and the carts of &#034;full strength&#034; beer - prized spoils from their viking raids!!!</p>
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