Comments on: Food conference: Out of the Frying Pan http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/ Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:16:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Chefs behaving sadly | Tomato http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-994 Chefs behaving sadly | Tomato Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:37:17 +0000 http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-994 [...] chefs are in cycle of abuse pointing to Waitrose Food Editor William Sitwell’s, the man who riled some bloggers at this year’s Food Fest, story on his revealing interview with former Ramsay Lieutenant [...] [...] chefs are in cycle of abuse pointing to Waitrose Food Editor William Sitwell's, the man who riled some bloggers at this year's Food Fest, story on his revealing interview with former Ramsay Lieutenant [...]

]]> By: Jon (Melbourne foodie) http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-585 Jon (Melbourne foodie) Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:54:52 +0000 http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-585 Great write up Duncan. I was going to do a bit of a summary of the day but think you have said just about everything here. I found the sessions interesting if nothing else but not as insightful as one may have hoped for. Glad that I got the ticket for free, as I struggle to see value for the $135 ticket cost, especially with the way the sessions were divided, meaning many interesting topics had to be missed. The Web 2.0 session was unfocussed, but the debate was rather interesting from your bringing up of media integrity, in relation to publishing apologies for errors and falsehoods to Vida's debate in regards to bloggers' comments. It was interesting that Stephanie Wood spoke so strongly on media research and integrity, when it was obvious she had not researched the posts and comments of the blogs she so happily criticised. I think ignorance is the best way of describing much of what was said in the session. Cheers to Jackie & Ed though for brining in a (real) bloggers' perspective and to Vida for envoking the necessary debate. It unfair to see bloggers as ignorant and foolish when we are just as entitled to an opinion as anyone else, even though it may only be seen by a tiny audience. Great write up Duncan. I was going to do a bit of a summary of the day but think you have said just about everything here.

I found the sessions interesting if nothing else but not as insightful as one may have hoped for. Glad that I got the ticket for free, as I struggle to see value for the $135 ticket cost, especially with the way the sessions were divided, meaning many interesting topics had to be missed.

The Web 2.0 session was unfocussed, but the debate was rather interesting from your bringing up of media integrity, in relation to publishing apologies for errors and falsehoods to Vida's debate in regards to bloggers' comments. It was interesting that Stephanie Wood spoke so strongly on media research and integrity, when it was obvious she had not researched the posts and comments of the blogs she so happily criticised. I think ignorance is the best way of describing much of what was said in the session.

Cheers to Jackie & Ed though for brining in a (real) bloggers' perspective and to Vida for envoking the necessary debate. It unfair to see bloggers as ignorant and foolish when we are just as entitled to an opinion as anyone else, even though it may only be seen by a tiny audience.

]]> By: How to start a food blog » The Last Appetite http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-577 How to start a food blog » The Last Appetite Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:33:57 +0000 http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-577 [...] Food and Wine Festival on “Web 2.0: how to blog/how not to blog”; but judging by the ensuing debate generated there seems to be firstly something controversial about saying that there [...] [...] Food and Wine Festival on "Web 2.0: how to blog/how not to blog"; but judging by the ensuing debate generated there seems to be firstly something controversial about saying that there [...]

]]> By: Exclusive: Ferran Adria says blogs are the big food revolution | Tomato http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-576 Exclusive: Ferran Adria says blogs are the big food revolution | Tomato Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:52:17 +0000 http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-576 [...] Capaldi promises that molecular gastronomy is not dead. We look forward to hearing from him on the artistry-formerly-known-as molecular gastronomy or tecnoemoción as it perhaps is now known. Popularity: 1% [...] [...] Capaldi promises that molecular gastronomy is not dead. We look forward to hearing from him on the artistry-formerly-known-as molecular gastronomy or tecnoemoción as it perhaps is now known. Popularity: 1% [...]

]]> By: Ed http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-575 Ed Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:28:48 +0000 http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-575 All these years and i forgot to mention how bitchy and full of factions the media is and the food media is no different. it is therefore no surprise that they bag bloggers. All these years and i forgot to mention how bitchy and full of factions the media is and the food media is no different. it is therefore no surprise that they bag bloggers.

]]> By: To bury or praise Stephanie? | Tomato http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-571 To bury or praise Stephanie? | Tomato Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:05:54 +0000 http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-571 [...] and comments on Stephanie’s Elegant Sufficiency, Confessions of a Food Nazi, Duncan’s Syrup & Tang for a full picture of the debate. Popularity: 1% [...] [...] and comments on Stephanie's Elegant Sufficiency, Confessions of a Food Nazi, Duncan's Syrup & Tang for a full picture of the debate. Popularity: 1% [...]

]]> By: Duncan http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-570 Duncan Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:33:27 +0000 http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-570 @gobbler: Good comment. As a freelance editor I can see why the reaction is so strong in some people, but the hypocrisy stinks -- there are heaps of 'professional writers' out there whose copy is crap and needs a hell of a lot of cleaning up. And I'm mightily tired of the ignorance which increasingly masquerades as journalism in once-great publications like Epicure. Yes, editors provide (or are meant to provide) that filter. But to assert that bloggers are inadequate professionally overlooks the fact that many are producing copy which just lacked the final touches. Sure, that's not universally true, but the global put-down is just ignorant. @anotheroutspokenfemale: welcome! Pity we didn't get a chance to meet. I'd like to know more about the blows against Elizabeth David, Nigella Lawson and Delia Smith, as I missed the relevant sessions... Feel free to elaborate here or please drop me a private note via the contact page re this and the other session you refer to. @gobbler: Good comment. As a freelance editor I can see why the reaction is so strong in some people, but the hypocrisy stinks — there are heaps of 'professional writers' out there whose copy is crap and needs a hell of a lot of cleaning up. And I'm mightily tired of the ignorance which increasingly masquerades as journalism in once-great publications like Epicure. Yes, editors provide (or are meant to provide) that filter. But to assert that bloggers are inadequate professionally overlooks the fact that many are producing copy which just lacked the final touches. Sure, that's not universally true, but the global put-down is just ignorant.

@anotheroutspokenfemale: welcome! Pity we didn't get a chance to meet. I'd like to know more about the blows against Elizabeth David, Nigella Lawson and Delia Smith, as I missed the relevant sessions… Feel free to elaborate here or please drop me a private note via the contact page re this and the other session you refer to.

]]> By: another outspoken female http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-569 another outspoken female Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:05:46 +0000 http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-569 I posted my thoughts yesterday, with an update today, about how I experienced Out of the Frying Pan. It wasn't just bloggers but 'celebrities' from the food world who got a lashing. In less than an hour there were personal blows against Elizabeth David, Nigella Lawson and Delia Smith (she got multiple slurs) - it was all incredibly bitchy. There were so many egos on the stage vying for attention that for me it was the humble ones who I listened to more closely. As I mentioned, I especially enjoyed Lucy Malouf but then again, she is more a backroom kind of person in the food world - she edits other people's cookbooks (with not a hint of kiss and tell), takes second billing after her ex-husband and does all the cleaning up once the chef tornado has tested the recipes. I wont even go into my reaction to the self-important couple of the Fairfax employees that Jamie (breakfast blog) was up against! As for what I caught of the blogging session, I unfortunately walked in on Stephanie mid-tirade and am still trying to make sense of why she seems so personally (professionally) threatened by what she considers bad writing - and have left my thoughts on her blog. I am very grateful to have not invested the bucks in the day as I think it would have been poor value for money. I wish I had got to meet a few more bloggers but I had had enough by afternoon tea and just wanted to get out of there. All in all a most interesting experience for all the wrong reasons. I posted my thoughts yesterday, with an update today, about how I experienced Out of the Frying Pan. It wasn't just bloggers but 'celebrities' from the food world who got a lashing. In less than an hour there were personal blows against Elizabeth David, Nigella Lawson and Delia Smith (she got multiple slurs) - it was all incredibly bitchy. There were so many egos on the stage vying for attention that for me it was the humble ones who I listened to more closely. As I mentioned, I especially enjoyed Lucy Malouf but then again, she is more a backroom kind of person in the food world - she edits other people's cookbooks (with not a hint of kiss and tell), takes second billing after her ex-husband and does all the cleaning up once the chef tornado has tested the recipes. I wont even go into my reaction to the self-important couple of the Fairfax employees that Jamie (breakfast blog) was up against!

As for what I caught of the blogging session, I unfortunately walked in on Stephanie mid-tirade and am still trying to make sense of why she seems so personally (professionally) threatened by what she considers bad writing - and have left my thoughts on her blog.

I am very grateful to have not invested the bucks in the day as I think it would have been poor value for money. I wish I had got to meet a few more bloggers but I had had enough by afternoon tea and just wanted to get out of there. All in all a most interesting experience for all the wrong reasons.

]]> By: grocer http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-568 grocer Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:51:32 +0000 http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-568 on that last point, has anyone noticed the increasing interest in eggs over the past week? on that last point, has anyone noticed the increasing interest in eggs over the past week?

]]> By: The Gobbler http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-567 The Gobbler Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:50:16 +0000 http://www.syrupandtang.com/200803/food-conference-out-of-the-frying-pan/#comment-567 G'day Duncan, thanks for your detailed explanation of the days events. I wish i could have attended as I do love a passionate debate! I think trad media will ignore the growing influence at their peril. Stephanie seemed to wave it off as a trifling distraction to amuse friends & family, not a matter to be taken seriously. How conceited. Also who made her or anyone else for that matter the arbiter of what makes a good read? Finally, there are many trad media 'lurkers' who trawl the very blogs they deride, sniffing a lead that they otherwise might not be able to glean. This raises an ethical question & I wonder if their high moral ground would stand up to that kind of scrutiny. G'day Duncan, thanks for your detailed explanation of the days events. I wish i could have attended as I do love a passionate debate!
I think trad media will ignore the growing influence at their peril. Stephanie seemed to wave it off as a trifling distraction to amuse friends & family, not a matter to be taken seriously. How conceited. Also who made her or anyone else for that matter the arbiter of what makes a good read?
Finally, there are many trad media 'lurkers' who trawl the very blogs they deride, sniffing a lead that they otherwise might not be able to glean. This raises an ethical question & I wonder if their high moral ground would stand up to that kind of scrutiny.

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